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PostPosted: 2002-12-19 19:38 
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na va, kadangi ten apie rpg paklause, tai paklausiu taip:
na, kad originalas geriau, tai suprantama.. bet ar gali blogas vertimas sugadinti knyga? ir ar gali vertimas visgi perteikti knyga taip pat gerai, kaip ji buvo parashyta originaliai?


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PostPosted: 2002-12-19 19:55 
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jei kalbesim apie rpg rulebookus tai nelabai ten yra ka gadint, neskaiciuojant tu rulebooku, kuriuose yra istorijos, kurios pacios savaime gali pritraukti zmogu zaisti rpg. o siaip tai visada imanoma sugadinti kanors jei labai nori arba turi spec sugebejimu

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PostPosted: 2002-12-19 19:57 
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tas zhymusis rusu LOTR'o vertimas kur Bilbo Bebins? ir panashiai :) ten aishq pilna nesamoniu gadinanchiu knyga, bet chia ypatingai buvo stengtasi (buvo vygdoma konspiracija priesh tolkinistus) :) bet ar tai turi atbaidyti nuo vertimu skaitymo?


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PostPosted: 2002-12-19 19:58 
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tai apie ka mes cia snekame? apie paprastas knygas ar rulebookus?

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PostPosted: 2002-12-19 19:59 
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apie rulebookus buvo kitas postas :)


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PostPosted: 2002-12-19 20:03 
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a tai cia net diskutuoti nera ko. aisku kad vertimas gali sugadinti knyga ir neatitaisomai.delto turbut niekam nekyla abejoniu.

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PostPosted: 2002-12-19 21:00 
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galeti tai gali, bet niekad nespjoviau ii vertimus: ash tingus zhmogus, ir skaitau ta kalba, kuria lengviau skaityti. Taip kad vertimai yra gerai, kadangi daro shedevrus prieinamesnius.

Visai kita tema yra ta, kuri buvo nagrineta (pagrinde - Dark Elfo) jau priesh poraa dienuu: lietuviuu kalba yra pakankamai skurdi, o vertejai - pakankamai nepatyree, kad atmushtuu noraa skaityti lietuvishkai. Ir chia visai nera najezdas ant lietuviuu ar kazhkas tokio: primeskit patys, rusuu literatoorai 500 metu daugiau, negu lietuviuu, rusuu mazhdaug 100 kartuu daugiau, negu lietuviuu, jie kontroliuoja ... eee ... zhymiai didesnee teritorijaa, bendrauja su shimtus kartuu daugiau tautuu. Ir kieno gi kalba bus turtingesne, a? Todel, jei galiu rinktis, lietuvishkaa ar rusishkaa vertimaa skaityti, pasirinxiu rusishkaa, nors ta kalba man ir ne gimtoji.

Zhinoma, faktas, kad rusishkos knygos 30 proc. pigesnes, chia niekuo detas :roll:

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PostPosted: 2002-12-20 10:42 
Pateikiu originalu teksta ir vertima
Tarp kito tai "istorija" kurios tikriausiai "neimanoma" isverti nesugadinus



Another five minutes went by. That did it. Grumbling, O?Brien started the car.
Turning the key in the ignition produced no effect, not even a cough from the engine.
Cursing, the detective got out and opened the hood of the car ?
And saw Jamal?s head, brutally jammed in where the battery should be.
The face was bloody and battered, but he could still make out his informant?s
face, mouth gaping in an endless silent scream. ?Jesus.? O?Brien turned away from
the car, fighting the heaves. He hadn?t stepped out of the car. How??
?Bad things happen to betrayers, mon.? O?Brien turned toward the voice. The
man standing in front of him looked like the stereotypical Rasta-man, complete with
dreadlocks and colorful beret, but there was something about him that O?Brien had
never seen before. Just looking at the stranger made the detective feel like a small
child confronting an unknown adult. Instinctively, he reached for his service pistol.
He tried to steady the weapon with both hands, but his left arm wasn?t working
right, so he aimed one-handed at the man. ?Who the hell are you??
The Rasta-man smiled a dazzling, gold-toothed grin. ?I be your Death.? Pain
and nausea hit O?Brien like sledgehammers. The gun clattered to the pavement. He
fell to his knees, clutching his chest. His vision swam hazily, but he could still see the
man clearly. Now there were things floating around him, humanoids shapes made
up of black light. O?Brien tried to scream in terror, but he couldn?t draw any breath
in. The Rasta-man started to laugh. It was the last sound O?Brien heard.


Praejo dar penkios minutes. Niurzgedamas Obrainas pasuko masinos rakteli. Variklis nerode jokiu "gyvybes" pozymiu. Keikdamasis detektyvas islipo ir atidare automobilio kapota. Vietoje akumuliatoriaus i ji ziurejo kruvina Dzamalo galva. Informatoriaus veidas buvo beveik neatpazistamai sudauzytas, taciau jame vis dar buvo galima izvelgti nebylu sauksma "Dieve". Obrainas atsitrauke nuo masinos stengdamasis sulaikyti vemuli. Jam nevertejo lipti is masinos...
"Blogi dalykai atsitinka isdavikams, drauguzi", Obrainas atisuko ten is kur sklido balsas. Zmogus, stovintis priesais ji, neatrode lyg stereotipinis samanas, uzsikabines dantu veriniais bei daugybe ivairiaspalviu amuletu. Bet jame buvo kazkas nepaprasto, ko Obrainas niekada nebuvo regejes. Vien pazvelgus i vyra detektyva nupurte siurpuliai, ir jis pasijuto kaip mazas berniukas bandantis pasipriesinti suaugusiam vyrui. Jis inkstintyviai bande abiem rankom sugriebti tarnybini pistoleta, taciau jo desinioji bejegiskai nusviro lyg sulauzyta. Obrainas pabande taikytis kairiaja.
"Kas tu toks?". Samanas syptelejo auksine, blizganciu dantu sypsena.
"As tavo Mirtis". Skausmas ir silpnumas parbloske Obraina lyg vezdo smugis. Ginklas iskrito ant dregno asfalto. Susiemes uz pilvo jis suklupo ant keliu. Vaizdas jo akyse pradejo "plaukti", taciau ta vyra jis vis dar mate aiskiai. Tamsus zmogaus formos seseliai sukosi aplink ji. Obrainas norejo sauktis pagalbos, taciau plauciuose truko oro. Samanas pradejo juoktis. Tai buvo paskutiniai garsai kuriuos girdejo Obrainas


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PostPosted: 2002-12-20 11:25 
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bednij-bednij rasta-man, bednij-bednij gurps esli ego perevod takoj ze....

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PostPosted: 2003-01-02 19:14 
Nu ir nifiga nepajutau jokio skirtumo. Nesu as kokis tai rafinuotas literaturologas, poliglotas kasalotas, bet ir vienam ir kitam variante viskas buvo pakankamai (ne)baisu. Tik esme tame, kad antraji varianta gali perskatyti daaug daugiau tautieciu. Kame cia kampas? Paaiskinkit plyz.


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